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Erri Wan Legendary Adventurer


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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 10:20 pm Post subject: DVD distribution |
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I think after you completed the movie and started to make the dvds you could distribute them from your main website www.treasureofthetemplars.com with a request form: people send you the money to refund you of the cost of a "virgin" DVD and expedition and you send the DVD to the address they gave to you.
It could be a nice idea. _________________
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Ken Gawne Administrator


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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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We intend to distribute from the main Tempalars website, yes indeed. We need to very carefully research the legalities to be 100% of what the situation is before we decide anything financial.
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Erri Wan Legendary Adventurer


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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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We intend to distribute from the main Tempalars website, yes indeed. We need to very carefully research the legalities to be 100% of what the situation is before we decide anything financial.
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Well you would just get back the money for publishing costs. Also linux is sold like that. If they ask CDs from internet, you'll pay the cost of them and shipping ;) the rest is free. _________________
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Ken Gawne Administrator


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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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But I have heard it not just about profit, you can't make ANY money off a fan film, even covering costs. The solution might have to be getting people to send blank DVDs of their own in self addressed envelopes and then getting these returned to them.
Another option might be to include the DVD for free with another, legitmatly sellable product.
Don't worry we will work something out - you guys want to see it, and we want to show it to you. Bottom line
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Erri Wan Legendary Adventurer


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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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But I have heard it not just about profit, you can't make ANY money off a fan film, even covering costs. The solution might have to be getting people to send blank DVDs of their own in self addressed envelopes and then getting these returned to them.
Another option might be to include the DVD for free with another, legitmatly sellable product.
Don't worry we will work something out - you guys want to see it, and we want to show it to you. Bottom line
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Eheheh, we're in your hands  _________________
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Erri Wan Legendary Adventurer


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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 8:24 am Post subject: |
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You could sell chewingums + a free DVD
chewies for £3.99 each  _________________
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Ken Gawne Administrator


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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 9:23 am Post subject: |
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It could be something as simple as that Erri Wan.
Swindiana, you must be the only person in the world who likes that food!!!
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Nikki Cast


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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:40 am Post subject: |
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Hey Ken
Here is an idea. You could distribute the DVD's and then say somthing along the lines of "if you appreciated the workman ship that went into the making of this film and feel that you would like to make a small donation to show your appreciation then you may by sendint it to ............"
somthing like that.
A lot of charities only ask for donations instead of cash.
I think that could possibly be the loop hole you are looking for because you are not asking for money - you are only saying they can give if they want to.
What do you think? |
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Ken Gawne Administrator


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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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Nikki
I think that is a possibility. As long as there is no direct link between the DVD and payment for it we should be ok.
So for example making a donation to ReelVision films could even entitle you to a free DVD and this should be fine, technically (I think).
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binkmeisterRick Scoundrel


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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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Ken, I'd gladly make a "donation" for a DVD. I hope you find a way for legal distribution to work out.
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Ken Gawne Administrator


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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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Well I am currently in touch with a law professor who is kindly looking into it for me, so I will just have to wait and see what he says.
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Nikki Cast


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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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Ahhh he replied then!
I knew he was a good guy.
Did you drop my name - aka "the talking head" lol |
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Erri Wan Legendary Adventurer


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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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Well I am currently in touch with a law professor who is kindly looking into it for me, so I will just have to wait and see what he says.
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I bet he'll say... "why dont you get a degree instead of wasting your time with fan film?" with a voice similar to Henry Jones  _________________
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Ken Gawne Administrator


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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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I can do both!
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Erri Wan Legendary Adventurer


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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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I can do both!
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i know, i was joking  _________________
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Indy_Railok Archaeology Professor


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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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Can we get the DVD's signed?  _________________
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MarkOne Expedition Leader

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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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Can we get the DVD's signed?  |
Now that's a good idea. Would it be possible to get it signed. Maybe not the disc itself, but the cover perhaps? _________________ There can be only one. MarkOne. :) |
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Ken Gawne Administrator


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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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I guess it depends who by and who ends up authoring the DVDs as that would affect what country they are coming from
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MarkOne Expedition Leader

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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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Here's an idea that maybe you should consider for DVD distribution since you can't actually sell the DVD itself.
Would it be possible to create an actual TofT store? You could sell like official baseball caps, T-shirts, posters, stuff like that and possibly throw in the movie itself for those who order from the store.
Just an idea, but I know I would love to have a ball cap and a T-shirt to show my support for this movie. Thanks. _________________ There can be only one. MarkOne. :) |
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Ken Gawne Administrator


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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah something like that would be a nice idea.
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Indy_Railok Archaeology Professor


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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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I would be great to get the DVD signed.
Or wait... I will go door to door and ask for autographs from the Cast/Crew. That will take me like 50 years.. If i walk  _________________
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Smith Legendary Adventurer


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Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| MarkOne wrote: |
Here's an idea that maybe you should consider for DVD distribution since you can't actually sell the DVD itself.
Would it be possible to create an actual TofT store? You could sell like official baseball caps, T-shirts, posters, stuff like that and possibly throw in the movie itself for those who order from the store.
Just an idea, but I know I would love to have a ball cap and a T-shirt to show my support for this movie. Thanks. |
That might still be seen as making money.
Ken is right. Money cannot exchange hands for the movie.
Star Wars: Revelations never made the film available on DVD, but what they did is set up some sort of internet torrent file to download the movie and then you could burn it to DVD. They also supply the artwork online if you want to print off the DVD cover. n Star Wars Revelations site they ave a Pay pal button to donate cash to the creator of the movie.
21 Productions made copies of their Star Wars fan films that they gave out at a convention for free as well. _________________ "I find that if I sit down...the solution presents itself" |
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Erri Wan Legendary Adventurer


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Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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Ken you could buy more artifacts from mexico like the one we saw at the beginning and sell it for an "European" price (if you know what i mean ) with other nice gadgets
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MarkOne Expedition Leader

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Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 3:16 am Post subject: |
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| MarkOne wrote: |
Here's an idea that maybe you should consider for DVD distribution since you can't actually sell the DVD itself.
Would it be possible to create an actual TofT store? You could sell like official baseball caps, T-shirts, posters, stuff like that and possibly throw in the movie itself for those who order from the store.
Just an idea, but I know I would love to have a ball cap and a T-shirt to show my support for this movie. Thanks. |
That might still be seen as making money.
Ken is right. Money cannot exchange hands for the movie. |
I don't believe so, I'm saying that as an option, they could sell items like caps, T-shirts, things like that and when you order those items, then you can throw in the movie and the DVD cover for free.
I can give you an example. A Batman-based fan movie, "A Joker's Card" offered people to buy the official soundtrack to the movie. When they bought the soundtrack, they threw in the movie for free. And from what I understand, they're haven't been in any trouble.
That's all I'm saying. It will give fans, like me, a chance to own something tangible to show support for this Indy fan film, and the movie will be thrown in as a free gift.
I leave it to Ken and the guys behind the film to decide if it crosses the line or not. _________________ There can be only one. MarkOne. :) |
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Nikki Cast


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Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 9:46 am Post subject: |
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Hi all
I do know this much. It is possible to sell the T-shirts ect. But you could only write "Treasure of the Templars" on it and the pics could only be of e.g. Ken. If you were to say write " Indiana Jones and the Treasure of the Templars" or use pics of other actors from the Indy film then you would be in trouble. (i know you probably already know this but i just thought i would add it). |
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Ken Gawne Administrator


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Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 9:51 am Post subject: |
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Yep Nikki is write. The name Indiana Jones is copyrighted and I think technically the Indiana Jones font is as well.
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Indy_Railok Archaeology Professor


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Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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Star Wars: Revelations |
what's star wars revelation? |
A Star Wars Fan film. Like 40 minutes long. _________________
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Kris Moderator


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Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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It's made by pro's that know all the deals, and it has some nice effects and sets and stuff, but the acting is terrible ..
I hope A New Warrior won't have the same problem  _________________ Writer & Director: A New Warrior - Coming 2007!
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Erri Wan Legendary Adventurer


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Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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I recently saw a star wars fan film about one of my fav characters, Boba Fett. I was very surprised of that. Only the music was crap, but all the rest was pretty good! _________________
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MarkOne Expedition Leader

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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:55 am Post subject: |
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Yep Nikki is write. The name Indiana Jones is copyrighted and I think technically the Indiana Jones font is as well.
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So, you can't make, for example, a black T-shirt with the Treasure of the Templars logo that we see here in the forum because of the copyright?
If you can, and use the photo you got for your avatar, as another example, that's what I was talking about for selling gear. _________________ There can be only one. MarkOne. :) |
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Ken Gawne Administrator


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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 2:30 am Post subject: |
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Like I said, I am pretty sure the font is copyrighted. However to use something that is very similar to the font but not the font might be ok.
Its a legal minefield and we have to tread carefully.
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VP Adventurer


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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 6:17 am Post subject: |
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Hmm. I don't think that the font is copyrighted, because I think that all the fonts out there (SF Fedora, Safari, Adventure) are made by fans. And I have seen many ads here in Finland where they use the Indy font. _________________ Indiana Jones |
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Ken Gawne Administrator


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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:36 am Post subject: |
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But SF Fedore, Safari etc aren't the actual fonts. I am guessing this is how you see 'the font' used to advertise things from theme parks to toilet paper.
BUT:
http://www.indianajones.com/welcome/copyright.html
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moseisleym Archaeology Student
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| Revelations was released on Bit Torrent as a 2-DVD set, where you could download the disc image of each disc and then burn it yourself, providing you had a burner, of course. Apparently it worked very well for them, with thousands of discs now created from it. At the same time, it's helped cut off potential bootlegging because it's so darn easy to get. You might want to talk to the guys at panicstruckpro.com (they made the movie) to find out the particulars, but it's definitely worth a consideration. |
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Argonaut Archaeology Professor


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How big a file would we be looking at then if that route was taken? _________________ "I ain't got time to bleed." - Jesse Ventura |
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moseisleym Archaeology Student
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| The files were/are a few gig each, but given the way bit torrent works, it's less of a drain on your server as each downloader also bears some of the brunt of uploading to other downloaders. It sounds complicated, but if you do some basic research as to how the process works, it's actually very clever and simple. Again, talking with the guys at the Revelations site (panicstruckpro.com) would help as they could give you all the details. |
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Colonel Vogel Archaeology Professor


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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:21 am Post subject: |
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Can we get the DVD's signed?  |
That might be a way to get the money, send in an extra....... amount of money and get it signed by Cast or Crew. But as Ken said, this is a legal minefield, one wrong step and Lucasfilm Gestapo.. I mean lawyers will blow you to bits.
Also, I am not sure if I would want to buy, ex. a soundtrack just to get the movie. Maybe you should notify Lucasfilm and try to work something out? _________________ Why, Dr. Jones, whatever are you doing in such a nasty place?- Belloq |
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Colonel Vogel Archaeology Professor


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Any news on this yet? _________________ Why, Dr. Jones, whatever are you doing in such a nasty place?- Belloq |
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Ken Gawne Administrator


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Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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Not yet, but recent developments at youtube.com definitivly confirm that Lucasfilm activly supports fanfilms.
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Argonaut Archaeology Professor


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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 2:50 am Post subject: |
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Been a while. Now I understand the whole bit torrent thing and I am all for it, but I'll buy a dvd if I have to. _________________ "I ain't got time to bleed." - Jesse Ventura |
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VP Adventurer


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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:00 am Post subject: |
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I'll probably get both the torrent and the DVD, just to enjoy the perfect Finnish subtitles.  _________________ Indiana Jones |
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Smith Legendary Adventurer


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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:32 am Post subject: |
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A bunch of guys made a Stargate fan film and sold it on their website. They got their asses handed to them by MGM. _________________ "I find that if I sit down...the solution presents itself" |
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Erri Wan Legendary Adventurer


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Not yet, but recent developments at youtube.com definitivly confirm that Lucasfilm activly supports fanfilms.
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Shame that Indiana Jones is Paramount's and not Lucasfilms'  _________________
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VP Adventurer


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I thought that Paramount was just the distributor and some rumors said that their Indy licence expired a couple years ago. _________________ Indiana Jones |
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Kris Moderator


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It isn't a licence. They provide money, they own the rights. Same with Star Wars 20th Century Fox. Fox paid for the first one, and got most rights to it, and also distribution rights to any sequels. So that's why SW is still a FOX production to be technical. Of course, a LOT of details and contracts apply. Not simple! _________________ Writer & Director: A New Warrior - Coming 2007!
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Jogel Archaeology Student
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| hay i just want to know how much i have to pay for the dvd ;) |
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Ken Gawne Administrator


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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:29 am Post subject: |
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We'll figure a way out that we can get DVDs to people without us being paid. At this stage we are still just focusing on getting the thing finished but dont worry we have discussed plans for the DVDs as well :)
Ken _________________
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Jogel Archaeology Student
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wow that would be awesome i love your work ;)
please finish soon:P |
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centurion13 Archaeology Professor


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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 6:25 pm Post subject: Bit torrent or U torrent or Merchandise |
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Bit torrent or U torrent that is an option for sharing the movie but then you have no control over payment thereof and it can be bootlegs in thousands!
Merchandise would be the best option or Paypal Donations!
I would by a Templars shirt or baseball cap to get the movie free, or buy a documentary of making the movie and get it free that way. 8)
Or you can sell pictures of Ken sprawled naked on a couch eating a kebab and get the movie free but No One would buy the picture! (Much to Scary a Thought)
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